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B-Dub · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 152

on the topic of masters racing:

The silence is deafening.

catch22 · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 5

are you referring to "the list"?

Dear Crabby · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 118

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

People assume a mostly dominant team is guilty rather than winning on experience and tactics.

One fact is there still will be a team.

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

What does a team roster have to do with a list?
How many teams have you been on, or tried to get on?
Amgen 2010 was a bunch of strong a** ex pros. That's it.
How about a new thread on new teams for 2011. Get ready!

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

Missing? Come on! Quit reaching!

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

I asked about a roster, you mentioned a list and you didn't answer the question. Why don't you tell us what a team roster has to do with a list? Rumors abound, you sound like you may know answers, why don't you give a few? By the way, my team and I are fine with a few strong a** ex-pros, to use your description, whats included in the rumors is what I have a problem with. I've only tried to get on one team and I made it, to answer your question, although I really don't see what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

I am sorry you didnt win at all this past season with your so called expros, but dont run your mouth about nothing.
Its better to conceal ones knowledge than to reveal ones ignorance.
Give it a rest

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

OCsprinter · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 149 Location: The IE

776 views and only 9 responses...Pretty obvious no one wants to touch this.

When an accusation like this comes down most of the cycling community will immediately point to the strongest guys that win the most; in this case Amgen. But if the SI team won so much then they would also be suspect using this logic.

Anyone with half a brain and has raced professionally with doped riders would be able to tell who was doped in the Master's pack wouldn't they?

Anyway, will be interesting if the info ever came out....Some surprises and maybe some won't be a big surprise.

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

fastrace · Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 5

Don't hold your breath waiting for your dreams to come true.Rumours are so easy. Let me tell ya what I've heard going around .(making up on the spot)Small minds want to know.SI has been very quiet lately.(Maybe it's the off season).They target only CBR races were there is no testing.(Hey it's a good series that matches their ages).They have a sports medicine doctor yikes!(he see's patients that do sports sometimes).But they went to Nationals where there's testing but got nervous and decided not to finish in mass.(Road rash was just a cover).What other team needs a fridge at the races I'd love to see what they hide in there.(that Aussie beer only tastes good in a very small temp range).Way to serious. They have given up body parts to win, they have to be on drugs.(don't think that was voluntary)The last socal doper had tats, so do some of these guys must have been "customers".(anybody can make bad choices when drunk you have be on drunk to get a tat right? ).Need I go on? The Proofs all there.If you buy my next drink I will provide you more. As long as your buying.(did i just make a bad decision?)
Maybe they train hard race hard and win some. Nah not a good story.
How about the new SoCal Points changes?

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

OCsprinter · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 149 Location: The IE

dolophonic · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 59

People are talking.... just saying.

only2win · Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 3

OK everyone, Chris DeMarchi here!!!

I cannot believe how far this has gone. I believe no person on SI or AMgen USE. First Off, I have tested several times this year and most recently from World Championships. ALL of my test heve been NEGATIVE - If you all like, I can post the letters from USADA with the results directly on this website or maybe pass out photo copies at the next upcoming CBR race. I am not being investgated like I have heard nor do I beleive anyone from Amgen / Helens / or SI is either. I have NEVER used PED of anykind nor have I ever seen any of my teammates use or talk of it. I have been in Italy and Spain the past 3 weeks and came back to this cr*p. I appreciate all those who called me to varify these horribe rumors. The rest of you are just hurtful and really do not understand the art of dedication to something you love. I love Cycling and I love to train. I train hard and I invite anyone to please train with me. I try to be a positive influence in cycling and would never disrespect the sport or any of you to win a race. If any of you would like to call me directly to discuss, I would be happy to talk with you.

BTW, I do not know a john or joe papp or a list that people are also talking about. And I would be very surprised and upset if anyone in Socal was on such a list.

I will start by telling you that I will be back racing next year every weekend in my STARS N STRIPES Jersey. I will be wearing it proudly and representing the sport. The people that have been talking all the s***, I can tell you this, I have heard your names and I will be training harder with more motivation this off season with you on my mind, all you did was wake a sleeping giant.

I hope 967 people view this and spread the news.

Any questions please email me at cdsport1@aol.com

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

Well said!!! Now hopefully all these trash talkers will giveitarest and train as much as they run there mouths!!
BTW Amgen won twice as many events as Si. And when Bert beat them, he was riding Amgens leadout! Nothing against SI but there are more races than just Dom Hills.

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

kmc · Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 28

chinocyclist · Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Location: Chino Ca

Thanks for all the posts, this is the most entertainment on the Forum is a long time.

tsunamibikes · Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 25

All of these rumors does make one wonder. Velonews did have an article over a month ago, that stated over 25 cyclists were being looked into, and that there were potential suspensions. That article had mentioned California riders involved. I believe that this was stemming from Joe Papp's customer list. It is a bit of a shame that something like that has to go down, and that there is not traditional testing methods done at events.

As I am coming back from cancer, I look forward to racing against Chris Demarchi, and everyone else. Doing well in a race against him, and in general against Amgen, SI, Big Orange and everyone else is an accomplishment regardless if it is industrial park, or not.

Dear Crabby · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 118

tsunamibikes · Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 25

Okay, your point is what? I overheard part of this at a CBR race, amongst several Amgen riders while getting ready to race. Part of it is rumor, as stated, some of it also was published the same way on VeloNews.

My point is that it is a shame that based on a customer list, and not by true testing that someone might get the finger pointed at them, secondly, they may be on a customer list, but doesn't mean they took the substance, and thirdly there are tons of rumors going around, Chris was nice enough to quell some of them.

faster master · Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 30

I saw this posted in another forum. http://twitter.com/#!/Laura_Weislo/s...05991099965440

"rumor has it that a certain federation is allowing masters riders who tested positive a chance to quietly retire w/out publicity."

This is so wrong if it is the case. Confused

razor_sprinter · Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 36 Location: Colorado

So....let's just wait and see who retires....

Wino · Joined: 11 Nov 2010 Posts: 7

slowoldman · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Claremont

Dear Crabby · Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 118

Racermech · Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 218

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

According to that site only 2 names have come out in the last 24hrs.

Before everyone says someone is positive lets wait till it shows up on the above link. In the mean time it is all assumptions....and you know what happens when you assume.....

Giveitarest · Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 24

Hey Crabby,
Why don't you quit running your mouth with any piece of info you get like a little kid and post ridiculous comments as in reference to all your posts in this topic, and wait for the hard facts to come out. And dont throw a pity party when no one you race against tests for PEDs and just beats you straight up! Go train!

packfill · Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Covina

I think this thread needs a bump. What was the outcome???

red vine · Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 60

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/07/news/monster-medias-joshua-webster-accepts-doping-suspension_184207

chinocyclist · Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 15 Location: Chino Ca

http://www.theathlete.org/banned-substances.htm

I found the information on this web site very interesting. I would like to be upfront and say the reason for posting this is that Josh Webster is a personal friend of mine. I have know him for about 8 years and have never know him to be anything but honest and forthright. While it is easy to put all doping issues under the same banner there is usually more to the story. It may prove to be an interesting read for anyone that would like to understand the difficulty an athlete faces when selecting certain products and supplements.
Steve Hegg once said that cycling eats it own, when he made this statement I did not fully understand what he meant. Over the past few years I have come to understand how self engrossed and mean spirited many cyclist are. It would be interesting how many people that have posted comments anywhere concerning Josh know him personally and or know the particulars about his case. The expense of defending yourself against a doping charge will keep almost anyone from putting up a defense and will simply force them to accept the ban.
I am fortunate to count Josh Webster as my friend and will stand beside the person I know. Those that know him should do the same.

David G. Miller

OCsprinter · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 149 Location: The IE

Count me as another one, Dave.

If you are a Cat 1/2 racer in California you know Josh Webster. How much you know him depends on how much you have spoken with him. I don't consider myself his best friend by any stretch, but I know most of you would probably not peg him as a cheat.

I have chosen to keep quiet on the subject, and wait for Josh himself to say something. Needless to say the news has been out for a while and although hundreds of people across the country who don't even know him are slighting him left and right, it hasn't happened on a local site like this. Hopefully that is a testament to what people think of Josh, which is mostly positive from everything I've heard. I doubt many can question his work ethic or accuse him of "cutting corners," since he can be found doing Crystal Lake repeats on an almost daily basis.

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There are a ton of dopers in Socal, everyone knows who they are. This one was a surprise to many. Either way, if you haven't heard the story straight from Josh then you haven't heard the story.

catch22 · Joined: 04 May 2008 Posts: 5

They caught another doper. I wonder how many more there are and where's that supposed "list".

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/10/news/another-u-s-masters-rider-pinned-for-doping_195784#post-comments